Debra Lynn Dadd

Down vs. Down Alternative: Which is better?

QUESTION:

hello,

i have been looking for a down or down alternative comforter for my two pre-teen boys (this alone, tells you...it's gonna be thrashed in 3-6 months! so i don't want to spend too much money on it. considering it somewhat disposable. ;)

i, myself, love the wool bedding products from Shepherd's Dream, but i don't want to invest that much money for something so short term for the boys. hence, i'm looking primarily at down alternative comforters.

are down alternative products considered "acceptable"? or are they BAD in terms of toxins etc. is there one 'brand/type' that is better than the others? or are they all bascially the same things with different names?

thank you very much.

POSTED BY WT :: CALIFORNIA USA :: 11/29/2006 5:30 AM


DEBRA'S ANSWER:

"Down alternative" is a tricky term because it can mean "an alternative to down," such as cotton or wool or anything else that isn't down, or it can mean a synthetic alternative to down. I think you are asking about the latter. Looking at websites, however, I see all these natural and synthetic choices listed on a "Down Alternatives" page.

The synthetic down alternatives are all made from 100% spun polyester. If the description on a comforter just says "down alternative" and nothing else, it's polyester. They come in different brand names and have slight difference, but they are all basically polyester (I already reviewed one--
PrimaLoft--in another question).

Whether or not polyester outgasses and how much it outgasses plasticizers is unknown. It's not high on the list of toxic exposures in comparison to say, pesticides or water pollutants, but it has enough toxicity that I don't recommend it. Plastics are also known to generally weaken the energy field of the body (one researcher found synthetic fibers can cause impotence), so it's probably not the best thing to sleep under. And, of course, there are the environmental effects. Polyester is made from nonrenewable crude oil that often creates pollutants in mining and manufacture. The finished product is also not biodegradable and will sit in a landfill for centuries. So while this product may be convenient to humans, it's not in the best interest of life overall.

Lyocell is a down alternative that is probably a better choice if you don't want to spend the money on natural fill. It is a natural cellulose fabric, like rayon, which is made by processing natural cellulose from birchwood trees with various chemicals. It is considered by some to be an "ecologically friendly fabric". Lyocell is more absorbent than cotton and more comfortable than polyester, as it wicks moisture away from the body and quickly evaporates it into the air (wool does this too) resulting in a more comfortable sleep.

Debra :-)


COMMENTS:

thank you, debra..that was very helpful.

well, i looked at lyocell, but it is VERY pricey! :o i'm trying to find an alternative that would be cost effective for my pre-teen boys' needs.

you had mentioned polyester being bad...would that include textiles/clothing/blankets made with a polyester, as well? or were you more specifically referring to 'polyester filled' items?

because even popular 'fleece' blankets jackets etc..would those also be problematic?

thank you very much.

COMMENT FROM DEBRA: Polyester is polyester, whether used as fill or as a fabric. Yes, that includes any textiles, clothing, blankets, fleece, jackets, etc.

I understand your concern for price. You need to make the decision to balance your budget with the health and environmental effects of the products you purchase. Do I personally buy polyester? No. I'm not going to say "not ever" because maybe occasionally there will be a synthetic fiber I can't avoid, but if I do, I usually replace it with a natural fiber as soon as I can.

POSTED BY WT :: CALIFORNIA USA :: 11/30/2006 7:58 AM


Pillows have been the bane of our life in this family. We've tried everything from barley husk filled, synthetic, foam, down, feather and water filled pillows. Some materials were better than others for out-gassing, but when you take into consideration their washability and if they also absorbed chemicals from the store that sold them, we've experienced a lot of frustration. We ended up sleeping on old blankets folded up into pillow cases which wasn't comfortable, though safe.

Then we tried IKEA. We bought their cheapest synthetic bed pillows so that if they arrived unsafe, we didn't feel too terrible about passing them along. One wash and they were a go. None of us have had a lick of reaction. Plus, they wash without losing their shape and dry within a reasonable time. For the low price of $9.99, I now have the best pillow I've ever slept on.

COMMENT FROM DEBRA: I'm glad you found a pillow that you like. This is like the discussion we were having in Q&A: Reacting to Organic Cotton. In theory, one would think that the natural materials would be better, but in this case, you found a synthetic material that is better for you.

I want to be clear to others that in general, often synthetics are NOT more tolerable for people with MCS, and are not eco-friendly. But if, like most people with MCS, your #1 concern is to find something tolerable, sometimes the less-toxic synthetics are better than more natural materials, because they are more refined. Ikea in particular has policies about toxic chemicals they don't allow in their synthetics (see Q&A: IKEA

Looking at the big picture, it's still better for life overall to use natural products made from organic, renewable materials as much as possible.

POSTED BY JUANITA :: ALBERTA CANADA :: 12/06/2006 7:36 AM


I purchase 100% cotton blankets from our Ross outlet here, very affordable but thin, I buy plenty and layer them as needed. But then I live in Hawaii, however the cold here is a very damp one that feels colder to me than the dry cold in Montana.
Sadie

POSTED BY SADIE :: HAWAII USA :: 12/06/2006 7:58 AM


Thank you for such an informative response to the Down vs Down Alternative question. My daughter was at Bed, Bath and Beyond in Los Angeles and needed my help and I found your response.

I would like to add that when people use products, especially SYNTHETIC ingredients, as your responses mentioned, there are hazards if the products are NOT natural. Petrolatum is in Vaseline, in lip balm and a variety of products. There are toxic chemicals in our shampoo, lipstick, mascara, shaving cream, deodorant, BABY lotion/shampoo. We expose ourselves to an average of 174 chemicals EVERY DAY.

The FDA does NOT regulate the Cosmetics, Toiletries and Fragrance industry. You mentioned PLASTICS. How many people put plastics bags into a microwave for CONVENIENCE? The cost for natural or organic may be higher, but we are paying a high price with our health. Parabens are found in breast milk and tumors. Phthalates, Sodium Laureth Sulfate, LEAD, Mercury, FORMALDEHYDE are permitted by the FDA.

Thank you for helping people GO GREEN. I found an informative website to check products and ingredients cosmeticsdatabase.com or just Google SKIN DEEP

I spoke to a nurse at SYLVESTER CANCER RESEARCH HOSPITAL in Miami who said," CANCER WILL NEVER BE CURED, it is more PROFITABLE for us to be sick" There is no money in PREVENTION!"

When people talk about COST for a product, it may be enticing to pay a low price, but down the road they will end up paying a bigger price.

PLEASE continue to help people with your knowledge.

I have accumulated a lot of research since my neighbor died of cancer, so PLEASE contact me...I would be honored to contribute.

THANK YOU!!

POSTED BY TERRY :: FLORIDA USA :: 04/01/2008 8:06 AM


Hi Debra,
Love your website! What do you think of actual down filled comforters, rather than down-alternative?

COMMENT FROM DEBRA: I have no objection to down comforters. Some people are allergic to the down, but it's a renewable/biodegradable resource and saves energy by keeping sleepers warm.

POSTED BY LAUREL :: CALIFORNIA USA :: 04/07/2008 12:56 PM


Why are your boys trashing their comforters? Honestly, my boy is 13 now and really not very considerate with furnishings (same goes for my 10 year old daughter), but I would never allow them to do that nor would they get the idea of doing it. Consider buying the best quality you can afford so they are not easily able to do that and talk them! This is ridiculous that they destroy something like a comforter in 3 - 6 months.

POSTED BY BARBARA :: OKLAHOMA USA :: 04/07/2008 12:56 PM


I have found brand new blankets and comforters on Ebay that are half the price of what you would pay at the store. You do have to be a little patient sometimes. But this is how I switched to cotton bedding.

POSTED BY HEATHER :: OKLAHOMA USA :: 04/07/2008 1:47 PM


In regards to good materials for Pillows, I have had unbelievable results with natural Latex pillows. At first they felt much different than your typical synthetic or down, but man they are comfortable! They will last much longer than other alternatives as well. While they are more pricey than their counterparts, think about how long they will last compared to other types that get so worn down that they don't have any fluffiness left. Latex isn't like that: i've used it now for months and the fluffiness is just the same as it was when I first bought it.

Erik

POSTED BY ERIK HARPER :: DC USA :: 04/10/2008 12:50 PM


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