Debra Lynn Dadd

Lubricating jelly

QUESTION:

Does anyone know of a good substitute for KY jelly. I have MCS and it makes me itch after intercourse. With vaginal dryness I need to use something, but don't know what to do. I tried olive oil and it absorbed so fast that we could not keep reapplying that fast. Both my husband and I take antihistamines, so we are both dry.
Any sugesstions would be appreciated.
Thank you.

POSTED BY DEBBIE :: NEW MEXICO USA :: 09/28/2009 11:10 AM


DEBRA'S ANSWER:

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COMMENTS:

My husband and I swear by raw coconut oil--we use Artisana Raw 100% Organic Coconut Oil. It is solid in the jar, but if you scoop some out in a separate jar and put the jar in warm water or just holding in the palm of your hand, the oil liquifies! It is wonderful and smells wonderful! We have gotten it on our flannel sheet but it washes out very easily. Our bedroom smells like coconut.

Just make sure you don't use the coconut butter made by Artisana because that has pieces of coconut flesh in it which makes for an interesting sensation, lol. (Although the coconut butter does taste wonderful in baking.)

POSTED BY WENDY :: WASHINGTON USA :: 10/02/2009 12:27 PM


Try Jojoba Oil...it works great...be sure that it is 100% Jojoba Oil with no other oils or fragrances. I buy mine at Trader Joe's.

Jojoba Oil is also great as a skin moisturizer...and, as a hair moisturizer that you wash out afterwards...

POSTED BY AIMEE :: WASHINGTON USA :: 10/02/2009 12:31 PM


Vitacost.com carries natural lubricants. Two brands were suggested to me by my physician, Emerita was one but I can't remember the second. It took some searching to find one without flavors and smells, but they can be found.

POSTED BY LINDSAY :: ARIZONA USA :: 10/02/2009 12:40 PM


I have used a wonderful lubricant called Yes, a water based organic vaginal lubricant. I have recommended it to several friends and all have liked it.

Ellen >

POSTED BY ELLEN :: CALIFORNIA USA :: 10/02/2009 12:44 PM


Have you tried ozonated olive oil? It is thick like vasoline. You may not like the smell as it does smell like medical ozone, but that fades in a matter of minutes. But it is also a wonderful antibacterial as well as a very good lubricant. And it doesn't absorb that fast.

POSTED BY EDY :: CALIFORNIA USA :: 10/02/2009 12:45 PM


My doctor advised me to use Vitamin E oil. It has to be pure - no added essential oils at all whatsoever. I use the JASON brand, as it was the only one I could find without additives. If you have general dryness at other times, you can also buy Vitamin E gel caps and use them as vaginal suppositories before going to sleep at night. Do that once or twice a week if you need to, but no more. If you are sensitive to the gel caps, ask your pharmacist to make up actual Vitamin E vaginal suppositories for you. It worked for me. Good luck!

POSTED BY JAPS :: NEW YORK USA :: 10/02/2009 12:46 PM


I sell and use SIMPLEE WONDERFUL Vaginal Moisturizing Gel by Restored Balance. I like the thicker consistency and how it lasts during use. It's also very reasonably priced, $11.95 for a 3 oz. bottle. We also sell samples at www.NaturalJoyBeauty.com Ingredients are: natural glycerin, tocopherol (vitamin e), sodium alginate (derived from marine plants), aloe (100% pure aloe vera whole leaf gel), and beta carotene.

SYLK is another one that meets my strict ingredients criteria and receives lots of praise for being like one's own "natural lubrication" however I didn't feel it lasted as well for me personally. Ingredients are: purified water, kiwi vine extract, grapefruit seed extract, xantham gum, vegetable glycerine, citric acid, potassium sorbate and sodium citrate.

FIREFLY Lubricant is another one that's all-natural, it's only sold on their website www.fireflylubricant.com and is $18.95 for a 4 oz. bottle. I've used this product and really like it. Ingredients: helianthus annuus (hybrid sunflower) seed extract, brassica napus (hybrid canola) seed extract, theobroma cacao (cocoa) butter, cera alba (natural beeswax), butyrospermum parkii (wild-crafted shea butter) fruit, natural tocopherols

POSTED BY JOY :: NATURALJOYBEAUTY.COM :: WWW.NATURALJOYBEAUTY.COM :: UTAH USA :: 10/02/2009 12:48 PM


Personal lubricant alternative to KY-
Dear Husband and I are super happy with Astroglide. Most basic drug stores sell it. You'll find it right with the KY on the shelf. www.astroglide.com is their website.

COMMENT FROM DEBRA: Be sure to get Astroglide Natural, as the other varieties of Astroglide contain synthetic ingredients and preservatives.


POSTED BY NATURAL MOM :: IDAHO USA :: 10/02/2009 12:53 PM


I have switched from KY Jelly to coconut oil and find that it works wonderfully. A little bit goes a long way.

As an aside, if both of you are on antihistamines you might want to find a competent doctor to look for thyroid and/or adrenal problems. I am hypothyroid and have fatigued adrenals but after being on replacement meds for 8 months my allergies disappeared. Mary Shoman's website www.thyroid-info.com is helpful.

Deborah, Texas

POSTED BY DEBORAH :: TEXAS USA :: 10/02/2009 12:55 PM


Coconut oil works great!

POSTED BY ABIGAIL :: OREGON USA :: 10/02/2009 12:57 PM


You can have a compounding pharmacy make a preparation based on the K-Y Jelly formulation. The Abrams Royal Pharmacy in Dallas, Texas made one that I tolerate. You do need a prescription from a doctor for any compounding medication.

POSTED BY ANNIQUE :: COLORADO USA :: 10/02/2009 12:57 PM


I too take antihistamines for 80% of the year. I like the original ID Glide as I have never had a reaction to that product and I react to seemingly everything. You can find it in adult stores.

Some people recommend the use of massage oils as a lubricant. Since many massage oils use safflower oil as a base, I would simply try that. Safflower oil is more viscous (thicker), smooth textured, odorless and shelf stable than some other natural oils like olive or sunflower oil. Many other natural oils are too thin textured like sunflower oil or have a noticeable odor like castor oil in my opinion.

Try some organic safflower oil and see how it goes. I would love to hear if it worked or not for you.

POSTED BY DR. LEA-CURRIE :: THE TAKE BACK TOUR :: THETAKEBACKTOUR.COM :: NORTH CAROLINA USA :: 10/02/2009 1:02 PM


I like using organic coconut oil. It is solid at room temperature, but will turn into an oil when in contact with the body. I've had no problems at all with it, unless I just didn't use enough.

POSTED BY BONNIE :: CALIFORNIA USA :: 10/02/2009 1:02 PM


Hi...just read your problem with ky jelly...use coconut oil..it's great. You can buy it cheap in Walmart..Karen

POSTED BY KAREN :: :: 2279 SPICHER HILL RD. :: PENNSYLVANIA USA :: 10/02/2009 1:17 PM


I recommend coconut oil/butter, available in the cooking asile at your natural food store. It is solid when stored at cooler temps, but melts at body temp. It can be stored without refrigeration. The product varies from brand to brand. Some of the organic unrefined brands have a pleasant light coconut smell. There are no preservatives, a potential cause of irritation. It's big draw back is that it stains the sheets.

POSTED BY PJ :: OREGON USA :: 10/02/2009 1:46 PM


Coconut oil. It works for everything! Bruce

POSTED BY BRUCE :: FLORIDA USA :: 10/02/2009 1:48 PM


Hi Debra,
Savannah Moon has a wonderful Skin Cream that can be used "everywhere". Our "Moonbeam" line is unscented/fragrance free and all natural. You can find a complete list of ingredients on our home page. My husband thinks it's Awesome and that I should market it to Ambiance... Good Stuff! ;o)

Feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

Karen

POSTED BY KAREN SEREMAK :: SAVANNAH MOON NATURAL RELAXATION, BATH & BODY CARE :: WWW.SAVANNAHMOON.COM :: OHIO USA :: 10/02/2009 1:50 PM


Coconut oil. It's what I use. Feels great. Lasts a good while before being absorbed.

POSTED BY JENNY :: TEXAS USA :: 10/02/2009 1:50 PM


I also have MCS. I can not use K-Y-JELLY either due to the petroleum base..I react bad to it...I can not have my GYN use it on me for pap test..I use organic coconut oil and so far so good..it is good to use as a massage oil, it is good to eat...I have not had any bad reactions from it...
I hope that helps

POSTED BY JJ :: OHIO USA :: 10/02/2009 1:52 PM


I found using vegetable oils worked for me. They're rather messy and may drip on your sheets, but they didn't make me itch. Good luck!

POSTED BY SARA :: MICHIGAN USA :: 10/02/2009 2:13 PM


You might want to try emerita natural lubricant. They do have a website you can check out, so you can see the ingredients in it. www.emerita.com. They also sell it at Whole Foods. Hope this helps.

POSTED BY RLF :: PENNSYLVANIA USA :: 10/02/2009 2:16 PM


To all of you who recommended coconut oil: How do you get it out of the sheets? I can't get it out. I use very hot water and Country Save Detergent. I have also tried soaking them in washing soda. Sheets are stained and gray. I would appreciate all suggestions.

POSTED BY PJ :: OREGON USA :: 10/02/2009 2:31 PM


Dawn dishwashing soap will get oil stains out, but use it before you wash sheets. Just moisten the sight with water, add the dawn and agitate a bit. Wash as you normally would. It works every time.

POSTED BY BONNIE :: CALIFORNIA USA :: 10/05/2009 2:46 PM


I haven't had any trouble with staining. We have Ivory colored cotton flannel sheets. I just wash them in cold water with Biokleen free and clear. I have also gotten coconut oil on our down comforter and it is white and I wash it the same way. I don't know. Just haven't had a problem with staining or grayness.

POSTED BY WENDY :: WASHINGTON USA :: 10/05/2009 2:46 PM


Coconut oil and vegetable oil will eventually turn rancid & that odor will be in the bedding permanently.

I have Abrams Royal Pharmacy in Dallas, TX (1-800-458-0804) compound a lubricating gel.

They first sent me 4 different samples of plain non petroleum gel & then used the one I tolerated best to make a version of K-Y Jelly for me. Any good compounding pharmacy could probably do this. A doctor's prescription is required.

POSTED BY ANNIQUE :: COLORADO USA :: 10/05/2009 2:51 PM


I discovered this by accident. Soak some organic flax seeds in water overnight in a glass or jar (not a bowl). You will need to practice with the amount of seeds & water. I'm usually making something with the seeds so I use a cup or so. In the morning, dump off most of the water (the seeds settle to the bottom.) The water closest to the seeds will be very, very slick. And while this may be TMI, it's almost too slick! LOL! This might keep in the fridge for a few days. What I do *not* know is if it disolves latex like oil does.

btw, while coconut oil might eventually go rancid, it is very stable and would take years before it did so. It *is* important to use edible (unrefined) coconut oil. Vegetable oil is generally rancid before you buy it (unless it's olive oil.)

POSTED BY PILGRIM :: TEXAS USA :: 10/06/2009 1:33 PM


raw organic coconut does not turn rancid - that is another great benefit of the oil - I have used it as a skin moisturizer, used it in cooking, add it to foods instead of butter, and now after ready these blogs find I can use it as a personal lubricant - how wonderful is that!

POSTED BY AM :: NEW HAMPSHIRE USA :: 10/06/2009 1:41 PM


emerita is better than KY--found it in the health food store--emerita.com

POSTED BY SZ :: KENTUCKY USA :: 10/09/2009 3:50 PM


If you want a coconut oil that has no odor (doesn't even smell like coconut), there is "Organic Coconut Oil" (don't use virgin) made by Spectrum. There is also "Coconut Oil" by Jarrow Formulas. I found the coconut oil by Jarrow Formulas at iherb.com for a lower price. (If you've never ordered from them before they will give you $5 off your first order if you enter the code: SEN532 )

POSTED BY DLP :: CALIFORNIA USA :: 10/09/2009 3:51 PM


I just received a water based intimate lubricant in a gift bag. I can't vouch for it yet, but it seems to be exactly what you're looking for. It's called "Yes." It's certified by the Soil Association which is the highest stamp of approval for organic standards. Here's what the label says: The world's first and only certified organic range of intimacy products. Yes is hypoallergenic. Condom compatible. Free from fragrances, colour, taste and residue. Yes says no no no to all nasty chemical ingredients. Just pure plant extracts that feel good. The website is: www.yesyesyes.org

POSTED BY KB :: CALIFORNIA USA :: 10/09/2009 5:12 PM


some thoughts:

-Jojoba will not turn rancid, as it is technically a liquid wax, not oil

-Dawn unfortunately is petroleum-based, strong detergent with strong synthetic fragrance: scary for MCS, and not natural, non-toxic, or earthwise :-(

-Effectiveness of vegetable-based detergents in getting out stains could be related to water hardness issues? Try adding 20 Mule Team borax to boost the effectiveness of the detergent?

-Pay attention when trying products containing glycerin or aloe: in and of themselves they can be dehydrating; moisturizing effectiveness depends on what these ingredients are combined with

-This has got me thinking of "food-grade" kitchen bodycare: using demulcent herbs -- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demulcent -- or agar -- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agar -- and filtered water to make a mucilage -- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mucilage -- Requires some preparation, but I'd think would keep a day or two in the refrigerator with traces of Vit C and Vit E added as anti-bacterial

POSTED BY FLORA :: OREGON USA :: 10/09/2009 5:16 PM


Is it safe to use coconut oil with condoms? Won't it breakdown the latex barrier? Which condom is the most healthy to use by the way? Trying to reduce exposure to plastics.

POSTED BY A :: MARYLAND USA :: 10/09/2009 5:37 PM


Aloe vera gel, straight from the plant.

POSTED BY SHEILA :: MASSACHUSETTS USA :: 10/16/2009 12:57 PM


We've had excellent results with Shea Butter, which I buy online in 1 pound tubs from The African Store - it's incredibly reasonable, and more pure than any other Shea Butter I've found. It's smooth and slick after being warmed in your hands/fingers for just a quick moment - and can be applied anywhere. It's great for expanding pregnant bellies, too!!

POSTED BY JENN W. :: ALASKA USA :: 10/26/2009 4:23 PM


I posted previously about Simplee Wonderful and Sylk personal lubricants but wanted to let people know about a NEW one that's just come out and I am now carrying. It's NATURAL BLISS by Lauren Brooke Cosmetiques. It's available in Original (unscented) and Wild Berry. Ingredients are simply: Grapeseed Oil, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride (fractionated coconut oil), +/- Natural & Organic Flavor Oils. They are conveniently packaged in 2 oz. pump bottles for $8.99 and samples are available. I've tried the product and felt it worked very well. My favorite part is the minimal ingredients!

POSTED BY JOY :: NATURAL JOY BEAUTY :: WWW.NATURALJOYBEAUTY.COM :: UTAH USA :: 11/17/2009 10:13 AM


Just thought I'd add that while coconut oil (organic, cold pressed, centrifuge extracted)turned out to be a great lubricant for vaginal dryness for me, when I realized I was putting off getting pap smears because of the severe reaction I got from the lubricant the GYNs use, I asked the GYN NP if she would be willing to use Sylk instead (I tried a sample of it first with no problem).

First time I ever had a GYN exam without horrible itching and irritation for days afterward. Soon after, I needed to have an ultrasound done and brought in the tube of Sylk - again got the test done without any pain. I think it works better than the stuff the doctors use.

POSTED BY L.A. :: CALIFORNIA USA :: 01/11/2010 1:25 PM


Organic personal lubricants are available at www.goodcleanlove.com. They are WONDERFUL! Order a sample for $1.00 and try it!

POSTED BY KELEEN :: SOUTH CAROLINA USA :: 01/15/2010 7:09 PM


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