Debra Lynn Dadd

Thermolon nonstick cookware

QUESTION:

This is the way to go everyone get rid of your Analon, Teflon, Circulon and all other on's.

Check it out. Google Green Pan With Thermalon

John [email protected]

POSTED BY JOHN COCHELL :: CALIFORNIA USA :: 02/25/2008 9:34 AM


DEBRA'S ANSWER:

I did check it out. I went to http://www.thermolon.com, and they didn't have any information on what the coating is made from, so I emailed the company.

They emailed me CompositionofThermolon.pdf, which states that the composition of Thermolon is a trade secret, but it "is based on silica, which of course originates from sand." This is basically glass. Other raw materials in the coating are oxygen and carbon. During the process of making Thermolon, the carbon is eliminated. So it's basically some type of glass.

I've not examined a pan with this coating, but from the description, it seems fine to me.

It is sold on many websites. Not hard to find.

The company also wrote to me: "Thermolon has been thoroughly tested by independent Labs in the US, UK and Germany - it has even been tested by the Swiss government. All have certified it to be completely safe, with no toxins or anything harmful to man or beast."

Debra :-)


COMMENTS:

Hello all,

Well, my husband went to Bed, Bath & Beyond today. He found a new pan that I can't find mentioned on this site. It's by Cuisinart. It's called "Green Gourmet Hard Anodized Eco-Friendly Nonstick Cookware". It states that it has "Ceramica Nonstick Technology", which is "PTFE and PFOA free", and "petroleum-free". It seems to claim that it's basically a non-stick ceramic. I assume it has no lead, too, but I was going to call the company, and ask.

We brought back our Calphalon non-stick pans (because I wasn't sure if they were "safe"), and also our Calphalon silicone bakeware (which I loved!), because it DID have a funny taste- you could actually taste the silicone in your food. It doesn't taste very good in (turkey) meatloaf, let me just say. My daughter refused to even eat anything baked with it. Oh well.

I read about "Thermalon", just now, on this site. Is this a "safe" non-stick, do you think? If they won't tell you what it's made of- only that it's "based on silica"- then how do you really know what it could be leaching? Just curious. Also, does it mention anything about lead?

Thank you,

CB

COMMENT FROM DEBRA: I went down to Bed, Bath & Beyond and took a look at the Green Gourmet pan. The finish is very hard and smooth and has no odor. It feels like glass, not like plastic, as Teflon and most other nonstick finishes do. I couldn't find this product on the internet at all--it's not even on the Cuisinart site--but it does look to me to be a ceramic finish. This must be a very new product.

I do think Thermalon is a safe nonstick, according to the information they provided to me. I believe that it is not leaching anything harmful, for two reasons 1) glass is very tightly bonded and doesn't need things like plasticizers that would leach and 2) there is no reason for this product to contain lead. Some ceramics do contain lead, but in the glaze. I just don't see any materials here that I recognize as being hazardous.

I just want to add that while searching for the Green Gourmet pan on the internet, I came across the Bialetti Green Planet Non-Stick 11" Stir Fry Pan, also sold at Bed, Bath & Beyond. The description reads:
This eco-friendly stir fry pan is produced using 50% recycled aluminum, while the attractive riveted handle is made from bamboo, a sustainable and renewable resource. The interior features Teflon Classic non-stick coating, making it abrasion resistant, easy to clean and attractive, and the exterior of the pan is accentuated by a black silicone lacquer with gold metallic flecks. Durable and beautiful, this cookware will look great in your kitchen and perform with professional results, while being kind to the earth. Hand wash. Three-year warranty.
Someone is unclear on the concept of "eco-friendly." Why else would they design a pan that is made from recycled aluminum with a bamboo handle and then coat the interior with Teflon, which is well-known to be toxic and companies have committed to the Environmental Protection Agency to work toward eliminating facility emissions and product content of PFOA (used in the manufacture of Teflon) by the year 2015. Recycled aluminum is great, and so is bamboo, but you can't put a toxic finish--that so badly pollutes the environment that it's being phased out--on the inside of a pan and call it "eco-friendly." The manufacturer didn't see this, the buyer at Bed Bath & Beyond didn't see this, but please, you see this and don't buy this product.


POSTED BY CB :: MASSACHUSETTS USA :: 03/06/2008 2:32 AM


In one of your blog post you wrote:

"There is a new type, however, which locks the non-stick plastic finish into a crater-like material made from indestructible ceramic and titanium. Embedding the finish in the ceramic-titanium craters prevents it from being scraped off into the food, but fumes may still be released, especially as a result of long periods of excessive heat."

Sorry, I don't remember which post you wrote this in as I have read so many. What brand is that they are you referring to? Is it safe to use? Or would you still recommend using something such as stainless steel instead? Thanks!

COMMENT FROM DEBRA: It wasn't in a blog post. It was in ABOUT: Cookware & Bakeware. You can search on "titanium cookware" and a number of brands will come up. I'm skeptical of titanium cookware. I have no reason to believe, however, that the ceramic finishes discussed in this post contain the same Teflone-type nonstick finishes, especially since Thermolon specifically says it does not contain these chemicals.


POSTED BY LAURA :: RHODE ISLAND USA :: 03/09/2008 6:37 PM



COMMENT FROM DEBRA: I was shopping for a skillet the other day while in San Francisco, and went to Macy's, thinking I would find the Cuisinart Green Gourmet pan.

They didn't have it, but did have a Martha Stewart skillet with a Thermalon finish.

Though their description sounds fine, I have to say that the Thermalon finish felt like plastic to me, and I was reluctant to use it.

I went to Bed, Bath & Beyond and got a Green Gourmet skillet. It feels like a glass/ceramic finish.

So even though the two descriptions sound similar, they are NOT the same stuff.

I've been cooking in my Green Gourmet pan the last few days and I love it! I'm glad there is a safe nonstick pan available now.


POSTED BY DEBRA LYNN DADD :: DEBRA LYNN DADD :: DLD123.COM :: CALIFORNIA USA :: 03/24/2008 11:32 PM


thermalon 'GREEN PANS AT LAST A SAFE PAN I CAN USE WITH MY BIRDS AROUND.NO KIDDING
A SAKE NON STICK PAN THAT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!
this pan cooks beautifully nothing sticks I tried.
TO ALL PARROT OWNERS OUT THERE GET THESE PANS IF YOU WANT NON STICK
HOME SHOPPING SELLS THEM AT A GOOD PRICE.
LIN ISHIKAWA CT

POSTED BY LIN ISHIKAWA :: CONNECTICUT USA :: 04/01/2008 7:28 AM


I am not that knowlegable on the subject matter contained in the comments posted re this blog. However, I work in retail in the Customer Service Center where I return, replace, or exchange many items on a daily basis.

One thing I have noticed recently is the increasing number of returns related to where a product is manufactured. The most recent being Easter eggs not manufactured in the USA that contained lead. These eggs were not on recall because the testing of the content was done by college students as part of an assignment and not by a lab or organization recognized by any manufacturer as an authority they had to answer to. I have experienced other items being returned because of other contaminates also. Some were on recall and some were not. These itmes were supposed to be manufactured by the same standards set for items made in the USA but they were not. The factory where they had been made substituded materials supplied from the USA with cheaper materials containing lead that is apparently legal in that country. I could list more but I think you are seeing my point.

I too was going to order some of the "Green" cookware mentioned until I saw it was manufactured in China. I am not saying everything made in other countries is toxic. I just believe, until there is better quality control as to the true content of items being made in other countries and sold here, I think "buyer beware." Some countries have higher standards and some don't.

We all know about being cautious of buying dishes in certain countries because of lead in the pretty designs on those dishes. I believe we need to think before we buy and be aware of those countries where standards allow use of toxic materials ban in the USA.

Also, it is well known that there is not significant testing of items before they go on the shelves here in the USA. It is simply accepted that because the USA owned company sent accepted materials to the other country for production of the product, that is what was used. When, in fact, other materials can be substituted and without testing each order for quality of content who would know? As I said, - buyer beware.

POSTED BY PATTI :: OHIO USA :: 04/01/2008 8:16 AM


Since there is such an uncertainty about lead in items--shouldn't the answer be to use test kits on items we'd like to own--. If they aren't up to par--return them..and then we've learned something and can share the info. Won't a test kit be a solution?

COMMENT FROM DEBRA: A lead test kit would be a solution, except a study found that not all home test kits for lead are accurate. A lab test would give you a more accurate answer.


POSTED BY LAURIE :: FLORIDA USA :: 04/07/2008 12:47 PM


Regarding Lead content in China manufacturing (Thermolon and Green Gourmet):
I wrote Thermolon customer service to see if the products are tested for lead, etc. Their response:

Dear Steve

You need have no fear, the GreenPans are assembled in China from
components and raw materials from all over the world. The factory that
assembles them is Belgium owned and managed, to European standards.

Furthermore, Thermolon non-stick coating is manufactured in South
Korea(you have contacted us at Thermolon, not Greenpan Ltd).

Thermolon has been tested for anything toxic by independent labs in the
US, UK, Germany and the Swiss government - nothing that could harm man or
beast was discovered.

Hope this helps put your mind at rest.


Yours sincerely
Mark Hosgood
Communications Officer, Thermolon
[email protected]



Hi,
I recently bought a Green Gourmet skillet which uses your thermolon
technology.
I noticed the packaging mentioned: "printed and made in China".
does this mean the packaging is made in china or the actual cookware?
If so, has this been heavily tested for lead content or other toxins that
Chinese manufacturers seem to have problems with? I'm thinking about
returning the cookware.

Thanks,

COMMENT FROM DEBRA: Note: Green Gourmet does NOT use Thermolon technology. These are two different things.


POSTED BY STEVE :: NEW YORK USA :: 04/21/2008 11:36 PM


I thought you might like this you tube video as a post

Cuisinart Green Gourmet Trade Show Presentation

COMMENT FROM DEBRA: Thanks! Readers, this has a little more info about these pans.

POSTED BY ALEX :: CALIFORNIA USA :: 05/06/2008 12:11 PM


I don't know, so many of these new "eco-friendly" things are coming out of the "big Brands" and they use a lot of wording such as "they don't have petroleum products, they don't have this and they don't have that." That often, seems to me, is a marketing tool that evades the "but, unfortunately, they do have this." Or they just don't know what we know as they try to bring out products that are "eco-friendly" if that is the latest craze....seems to me that these companies often recognize that "everyone all of a sudden wants a certain type of product and if we can get it out, we can go back to making money in this bad economy." With China's growing maturation, they are rushing into things even faster.

I think to produce really "eco-friendly" things or "organic things", you have to have a heart for it and constantly be checking to make sure wrong things or technology don't accidentally get into a product. Big companies as a rule are more interested in the $$$ than the principles. Check out the Organic food business these days. Maybe I'm being too negative, but from the posts I gather that we all would like an easy to care for non-stick finish on pots and pans....could we be easily decieved.....having watched our friends with the easy non stick Tefflon and such....yet being too concerned to buy them.?

I think I will wait a while until the "we thought this was safe, buts" die down. After discovering that my new stainless was not a romantic match for a magnet, we got out our old iron stuff and cleaned them up and reseasoned them for a new lease on life.

Buy the way, I rather like old fashioned steel that also has to be seasoned....and there are several sizes of woks that work well as pots and pans....and are lighter than iron...does anyone know of any reason not to use them? And where have the cheap, enameled steel pans gone....good for veggies, etc. when you don't have to worry about burning because you are using a tad bit of water when cooking.

POSTED BY JULIE :: IN USA :: 05/15/2008 11:16 PM


Kudos to Julie in USA!!! So many people are jumping on the band wagon of "eco friendly" and "organic" and "all natural" without first doing their homework. It is sad the majority of manufacturers are interested in nothing more than that "all-mighty dollar" regardless of what it means in the long run eco wise or health wise. I believe most of us reading these comments are interested in doing things right in order to maintain our health and be eco friendly. I believe in order to do that we must practice, as I have said before, the old rule of "buyer beware". I am reminded of a conversation that took place in the lunchroom where I work. Some coworkers were discussing the fact that a popular soda was not as bad for you because it was made with "all natural" ingredients. One asked me what I thought of it-I simply said: "all natural doesn't neccessarily mean all good - poison ivy is all natural but I wouldn't dry the leaves and brew up a pot of tea from them." I just read an article in the Akron newspaper about a keychain being recalled because of its high lead content. Unfortunately a small child suffered from lead poisoning after playing with the keychain and putting it in it's mouth. How many of us have given our keys to our children to play with?? Such a simple thing but what a reminder to us to pay attention to the simple things.

POSTED BY PATTI :: OHIO USA :: 05/19/2008 9:40 PM


I have been doing a lot of reading on the Thermolon pans and trying to find out if they are safe. Here is something else I found from National Geographic Green Guide:

"GreenPan cookware, which uses Thermolon's coatings, are made of an aluminum core with a coating composed of oxygen, silicone, carbon, aluminum and titanium"

It says aluminum in the coating......Aluminum is not exactly the friendliest of products to use. So how much aluminum is used in the coating and how much of that are we putting into our foods?

Tim from Canada

COMMENT FROM DEBRA: Well, I'd like to know where they got this information. I reviewed the materials from Thermolon about their finish, and they did not list these materials.


POSTED BY TIM :: KISO ORGANICS :: WWW.KISO.CA :: BC CANADA :: 06/02/2008 1:04 PM


I was ready to order a test "Green pan" from HSN until I read this blog. I threw out my toxic aluminum pans (and Teflon ones)years ago, and am cautious about jumping on a trendy bandwagon without knowing more. If I cannot find out about what constitues Thermalon, then I prefer NOT to have it in my kitchen. Many products have proprietary patents, but it seems like Thermalon is being evasive. HSN touts their Green Pans as safe up to 800 degrees. I'm curious as to what happens after 800 degrees. Also, I agree with an earlier blog observation as to the marketing stating what is not in Thermalon; evading the obvious question about the aluminum content and possible leaching into food. Carol/Nevada

POSTED BY CAROL :: NEVADA USA :: 07/08/2008 12:49 PM


I listened to a teleseminar with the well known mercury free dentist, Hal Huggins, and he had this to say about cookware: stainless steel is nickel. Apparently the nickel leeches through the matrix of metals and apparently the copper bottom comes through also. When asked what he does recommend he said (1) Pyrex (2) Le Creusset - cast iron w/ porcelain on it. The aluminum doesn't come out in the food. (3) cast iron.

He also mentioned to stop using sea salt. He said it comes from the world's largest cesspools, and can cause neurological changes.

POSTED BY STEVE :: NEW YORK USA :: 07/08/2008 4:31 PM


dear debra i want to resolve this issue once and for all. if you look on the hsn.com website under todd english green pans they state that the pans contain aluminum.

where in the pan is it? if it isnt safe after all are there any other green pans or other kinds of pans i can buy and feel safe doing too? what are each one of the brand names of pans that are safe to use? what are they made from?

thanks alot ft

COMMENT FROM DEBRA: Regarding aluminum, the website you cite says this about GreenPan™ with Thermolon™ Technology 11" Gourmet Square Grill Pan:

* Aluminum core provides even heat distribution throughout the entire pan for even browning
* Made of aluminum 3003

So the pan itself would be made of aluminum or have aluminum sandwiched between other metals. Aluminum 3003 is a type of aluminum. The aluminum is completely coated with the Thermalon finish, so it does not come in contact with the food.

There is no aluminum danger from these pans that I am aware of. I have some concern about the Thermalon finish, as stated above.

See my comments above about the Cuisinart Green Gourmet pan, which I have been using myself and recommend.


POSTED BY FT :: NEW YORK USA :: 07/12/2008 10:23 AM


So glad I came across this wealth of information. In shopping for new stainless cookware at BB&B,for our daughter, we noticed the Cuisinart "green" eco-friendly pans as well.

It was tempting since it said no PFOA, PTFR or petrochemicals. However, I decided to wait because I was skeptical. What is the trademark name "ceramica?"

Marketing can be quite deceptive. It tells what it doesn't have, but not what it DOES have. Conveniently, a 'proprietary secret', like perfume, which contains hundreds of toxic chemicals. DuPont falsified their testing. It took decades to catch them. There are so many "green wolves in organic clothing" out there.

Guess I am leary because of the cosmetic industry using "derived from coconut" for example, when listing sodium laureth sulfate. HOW it is derived is what causes nitrosamins that formulate 1,4-dioxins. Safe ingredients become toxic due to the process which causes by-products.
How do we REALLY know if a non-stick surface is safe?

No one can say they have "teflon" except DuPont, since it is a trademark name. Secondally, companies are not 'mandated' to remove PFOA/PTFE non-stick pans by 2015. It's "voluntary."
Why do they have until 2015? Think about it. It's scary.

My brother-in-law threw out his teflon pans and was proud to tell me he bought SWISS DIAMOND. Needless to say, these pans are made from PFOA. Mike Adams, the "Health Ranger" exposed the scam with documented testing.

It isn't easy trying to protect ourselves. Sharing information is our only defense against these ruthless companies.

Thanks everyone!

PS NON STICK pans, was one of the products an oncologist nurse, at a cancer research hospital, told me to avoid.

POSTED BY TERRY :: FLORIDA USA :: 08/07/2008 2:19 PM


Cuisinart now has a whole line of Green Ware cookware that has the same ceramica nonstick finish as their Green Gourmet pan. They sell it at Bed, Bath and Beyond.

http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/product.asp?sku=16034185Attention

POSTED BY SVW :: WASHINGTON USA :: 02/26/2009 3:57 AM


Hello Debra

My question is pretty straight forward. I'm a Cast Iron kind of guy. Aside from water, about the only thing that beats Cast Iron for "Specific Heat" is Copper, which is a bit out of my budget at this time; hence, my enjoyment for Cast Iron. What I would like to know...

Does a Thermolon coating on Cast Iron exists?

I have search periodically, but have yet to see a combination of this nature.

All the best, James

COMMENT FROM DEBRA: Haven't seen such a thing and I doubt we will, as most folks who love cast iron also know how to season it.


POSTED BY JAMES :: CALIFORNIA USA :: 07/20/2009 2:04 PM


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